Well, Erdrique should be wrapping up his monk life within the next week which means it is time to discuss his next heroic life. In this iteration, I plan on taking Erdrique through a rogue life. I want to try out a Thief Acrobat build. I haven’t played that type of rogue before and I’m looking forward to swinging a quarterstaff around. My main focus is to do as much damage as I can with my quarterstaff, primarily using dexterity to hit and to damage. I also want to be as “skillful” as possible, maxing out my disable device, open lock, use magical device, spot, and search as much as possible. I also want to be as stealthy as possible. So here is my thoughts:
**Updated 3/15/2015: Thanks for all comments everybody :). I decided to take two points out of my Charisma and drop it from 10 to 8 and move up my Strength from 10 to 12. This allowed me to take Power Attack and the other combat based feats. I think this will be better as I was able to take Power Attack, Cleave, Two Handed Fighting, Improved Two Handed Fighting, and Improved Critical: Bludgeoning. My skills went down some but they should still be high enough to do what I need them to do.**
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Erdrique Hauksness
Level 20 Neutral Good
Human Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 23
Will: 7
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Abilities (36 Points) |
Starting Base Stats (Level 1) |
Ending Base Stats (Level 20) |
Feat/Enhancement Modified Stats (Level 20) |
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Strength |
12 |
15 |
19 |
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Dexterity |
18 |
28 |
32 |
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Constitution |
16 |
21 |
21 |
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Intelligence |
14 |
19 |
19 |
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Wisdom |
8 |
13 |
13 |
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Charisma |
8 |
13 |
13 |
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 14
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 14
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 18
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 18
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 18
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 18
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 18
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 18
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Skills |
Base Starting Skills (Level 1) |
Feat/Enhancement Modified Skills (Level 20) |
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Balance |
8 |
38 |
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Bluff |
3 |
28 |
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Concentration |
3 |
6 |
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Diplomacy |
-1 |
13 |
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Disable Device |
6 |
30 |
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Haggle |
-1 |
5 |
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Heal |
-1 |
2 |
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Hide |
8 |
38 |
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Intimidate |
-1 |
6 |
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Jump |
5 |
18 |
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Listen |
1 |
25 |
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Move Silently |
6 |
38 |
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Open Lock |
8 |
37 |
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Perform |
n/a |
n/a |
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Repair |
2 |
5 |
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Search |
6 |
28 |
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Spellcraft |
2 |
5 |
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Spot |
3 |
25 |
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Swim |
1 |
6 |
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Tumble |
8 |
38 |
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Use Magical Device |
4 |
28 |
Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Control (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sly Flourish (Rank 1)
Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Thief Acrobatics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Faster Sneaking (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Training (Rank 1)
Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Stick Fighting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Subtlety (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Quick Strike (Rank 1)
Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge (Dodge Bonus)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Training (Rank 1)
Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Charming (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Charming (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Charming (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Faster Sneaking (Rank 2)
Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Tumbler (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Thief Acrobatics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Thief Acrobatics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Faster Sneaking (Rank 3)
Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sly Flourish (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sly Flourish (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Quick Strike (Rank 2)
Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magical Device
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Subtlety (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Subtlety (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Quick Strike (Rank 3)
Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Glancing Blows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Glancing Blows (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Training (Rank 1)
Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sweeping Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Dexterity (Rank 1)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Kip Up (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Glancing Blows (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Specialization (Rank 1)
Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sweeping Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Dexterity (Rank 1)
Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Sweeping Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Defensive Roll (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Defensive Roll (Rank 2)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Improved Defensive Roll (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – No Mercy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Lunge (Rank 1)
Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Lunge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Vault (Rank 1)
Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – No Mercy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – No Mercy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Staff Lunge (Rank 3)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Cartwheel Charge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Shadow Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Shadow Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Shadow Dodge (Rank 3)
Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Shiv (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) – Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Thief-Acrobat (Rog) – Followthrough (Rank 1)
Erdrique running some challenges before he takes the plunge as a rogue.
Of course all of this will be likely to change once the new changes are made to the Thief Acrobat, but then again I’ll come across that bridge when it occurs. In either case, this will be an interesting life. I expect to be running Erdrique as a rogue by next weekend :). Thanks for reading everybody and happy hunting!!
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Seems like a solid build, but I have a hard time picking out the feats and enhancements in this format. The basic idea and the character’s stats are certainly solid 🙂
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Feat selection seems odd. You want maximum staff damage but I don’t see Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Critical, or the Two-Handed weapon line.
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Yeah, I was hoping to be able to use bluff a lot to gain the majority of my damage from sneak attacks, I’ll rework it. Thanks for the advice!!
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I don’t agree with the feats. You do not need all the skill focus stuff.
Try precision, THF line for glancing blows etc, or instead of precision power attack and cleave line, IC bludgeon
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Yeah, I will take another look at the feats and move forward with taking more of the combat feats. Thanks for advice bud!! 🙂
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I’ll echo the other comments, there is no need for the skill focus feats (or nimble fingers and stealthy). With decent gear, decent stats, and some enhancement points spent in human or mechanic (or both) you’ll easily exceed the benefit provided by the feats, and free up most of your feat slots for combat feats such as IC: Bludgeon, the THF line etc.
To be honest, I’d be inclined to take a lot fewer points in the thief-acrobat tree (73 feels almost excessive to me), and instead put some into human (for damage boost, Hamp and perhaps some skill increases), mechanic (for skill boost, and skill increases) and perhaps Harper (for melee power and an increase enhancement bonus on your stick).
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I generally like to “maximize” out a prestige line, as long as I feel it fits my character. Sometimes I don’t do that, but it is very rarely. Thanks for thoughts, I’m definitely going to change up the feats as you are third person who mentioned the exact same thing :).
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